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Poster: 70 blues skadoo Date: Oct 22, 2010 9:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

i was thinking about a response to that post and i realized that any response on my part would be in futility. you actually drew a parallel between someone living in poverty and your dogs being upset about not being scratched enough. alongside appreciation, i guess i can add lack of compassion to the list as well.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 22, 2010 10:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Awwww. But one of my dogs was rescued from the third world streets. Gee, does that count? Also, I put money into a leper's begging bowl today. Am I still a meanie?

I'm tempted to get into a discussion on the meaningfulness of the $2 a day figure, but it's getting late here. Btw it's closer to half the global population, not 75 percent, and to make it meaningful you have to ask more questions. (Specifically whether the person is trying to survive in a city -- rent, food in the market, etc -- or has land that enables them to survive outside the cash economy. Subsistence farmers often don't "earn" $2 a day, but can lead healthier lives than many urban dwellers who actually earn more. Yada yada.)

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Poster: 70 blues skadoo Date: Oct 22, 2010 11:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

while i may have no respect for the casually arrogant i do have respect for my elders. you are correct and i will defer to you.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 22, 2010 11:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Be here now...til it's over.

Well, I was going to chime in on human nature (I am a paid behaviorist afterall), but I switched to snakes (they're nicer) and never looked back.

But of course, we always have things to piss and moan about.

What really pisses me off is that having been at death's door a few too many times the last decade, I had the feeling that I'd never return to that petty place, that I'd love every moment for the moment from that pt on if I just made it out alive. [It's happened more than once. You can buy the novel if you want the details. Most of it's here on the Forum anyhow, so don't pay top dollar, whatever you do.] I really thought that I'd never be "small" again, and smell the flowers, and hug the wife, and...and...

Guess what? It doesn't last...I wish it would.

Crap.

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Poster: 70 blues skadoo Date: Oct 22, 2010 12:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Be here now...til it's over.

thats too bad. i've been riding my wave for years now. my experience completely changed my life. 5 years ago i was smoking 2 packs a day. this morning i ran 3 miles.
i think the feeling only goes away if you loosen your grasp. its a great life if you dont weaken.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 22, 2010 4:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Be here now...til it's over.

Crossed wires there; it IS a great life for exactly the reason I allude to...it wouldn't be so great if it were one big "high", IMHO. Take the good with bad, try to maintain an even keel, and have an optimistic outlook. You only get one chance, right? If we differ on that (ahem, "afterlife"), then we probably might as well agree to disagree right now. No hard feelings.

Just for the record, everyone that knows me thinks I am the sappiest, Polly Anna they've ever met, so don't confuse the realism with cynicism (though Rob will let you know I got my share of that too...).

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 22, 2010 1:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Be here now...til it's over.

Even the most ecstatic moments, the ones that you think are etched into the very bedrock of your being, become no more than the memory of a memory in a most dishearteningly short time. Happiness is addictive, evanescent and unreproducible.

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Poster: 70 blues skadoo Date: Oct 22, 2010 1:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Be here now...til it's over.

i have to disagree with you. children are a reproducing happiness daily, completely unbound with their energy flowing freely everywhere.
and the ecstatic moments of memory are not where its at. those memories change as your perspective changes. being in the present moment rushing headlong into the unknown, constant change in the midst of chaos is where its at.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 22, 2010 7:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Be here now...til it's over.

Ah, but then they become adolescents! :-)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 22, 2010 2:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Be here now...til it's over.

Come on, children aren't happiness machines - there may be happiness in the moment but the moment passes and gets confused with passages of frustration and anger and helplessness and incomprehension and it all gets blended together in the falsity of memory. If you think I was saying that memories are 'where it's at' you misread me entirely.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 22, 2010 4:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Be here now...til it's over.

You know, of course, this is nothing more than a variation on the theme of our discussion of Odysseus and his rejection of immortality, eh? Seems related to me anyhow.

Who wants immortality and nothing but joy and eternal happiness (= bored outta my gourd)? Well, okay, maybe I'll weaken and ask for it when the day comes, but til then...

And, just for the record, of course I find great happiness in many of the things the other poster (sorry, don't recall the exact name) noted, BUT one simply cannot (try as we might) EXIST in this constant state of euphoria. the brain just ain't structured that way--nor the heart, if we want to go that route.

Of course, if someone's sneaking religion into this, which I suspect, then we already parted company, so I won't bother. And I certainly won't bother YOU with that rant!

Right?

Right!


This post was modified by William Tell on 2010-10-22 23:53:45

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 22, 2010 4:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Be here now...til it's over.

Oh absolutely right - we understand each other well.

I rather think that in evolutionary terms perpetual euphoria has to be seen as a distinct disadvantage - it's the dyed in the wool pessimist and cynic who is most likely to expect trouble and survive it.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 22, 2010 9:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

My top 3 reasons to get out and VOTE
-- this posting is on the Festivarian Forum (Planet Bluegrass)
-- Planet Bluegrass web site is home of Telluride Bluegrass Festival, etc.

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Poster: 70 blues skadoo Date: Oct 22, 2010 10:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

my top 1 reason to vote: because i have the freedom to do so.
and i agree with you wholeheartedly that we need to bring our people home and stop our wars.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 22, 2010 10:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Someone needs to get some perspective. And I don't mean Althea. The observation that finding things to get pissed off about is a part of the human condition so hardwired as to transcend circumstance is inarguable. That this may extend to other sentient beings (the fate of which, I need not remind keen readers of the forum, we should all cry over) is a point I would at least be prepared to give consideration to.

Oh yes, and toss in a few capitals now and then - they are important, y'know.

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Poster: 70 blues skadoo Date: Oct 22, 2010 10:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

sentient beings are quite often deluded about perspective also. i must agree with your hardwiring of the human condition. by my saying people choose the tiniest things in life to get upset about, i have proven myself correct by getting miffed about people taking the simplest of things for granted.
the circumstance continues in a circle you see.

and while someone dies of starvation every 3.6 seconds, i'm going to eat some lunch.
i'm a hypocrite, i know.

This post was modified by 70 blues skadoo on 2010-10-22 17:23:47

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 22, 2010 10:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

It's not hypocrisy, it's just staying alive.


Given the chance, everyone would.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 22, 2010 9:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

A frothy stew
One part , condescension to even deign a response ,
and then the long knives come out .
Two parts of declarative barbs .
Make up your mind .
Is that the passive aggressive two-step ?
Where did you miss the 'it's always going to be unfair' lesson ? How would you know what it is to live on $2/day ? What if rice is $1 /2 kilos ? I am not saying that you have to walk in the same shoes in order to have a valid opinion . But , you can be miserable when your rich . You can be miserable when your poor .( It's just that it's much more comfortable being rich ;-). Can being the operative word in those sentences .
Please let us all know when we have crossed the line into an area filled with , a "lack of compassion" or the ambiguous "appreciation".

This woman is trying to redefine the policy of how to best aid Africa effectively . She believes most/all NGO's are incompetent and cause harm . She thinks there is a better way .
http://www.aubreygraham.org/

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 22, 2010 9:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Is it hard to carry the weight of the world all by yourself?

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Poster: 70 blues skadoo Date: Oct 22, 2010 9:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

hey you know the more i listen to the jerry garcia band i'm convinced that the version that has nicky hopkins in the band is my favorite. from 10/11/75 the first solo jerry takes in edward reminds me quite a bit of david gilmour. i cant think of another time when i thought jerry sounded like one of his contemporaries.

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Poster: Edsel Date: Oct 22, 2010 9:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Vivian ?